50 Years of Hyde, 50 Years of Harm

September 30th, 2026, marked the 50th anniversary of the Hyde Amendment—a provision enacted in 1976 in response to the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision that legalized nationwide abortion. It restricts federally funded abortions through federal healthcare programs like Medicaid and Medicare. Lupe Rodriguez, Executive Director of the National Latina Institute for Reproductive Justice (NLIRJ) sits down to talk with us about Hyde’s tragic, dangerous legacy, and how it is past time for repeal. 

Not only does the Hyde Amendment restrict funding under Medicare and Medicaid, but it does also so for certain disabled individuals under 65, and for certain community health centers providing primary care in underserved areas, as well. Seven states fund abortions under Medicaid and instances of life endangerment, rape and incest, and 21 states fund abortions beyond federal requirements and using their own resources. Yet, exceptions are not consistently applied.

The Hyde Amendment has prevented millions of people in the U.S. from accessing abortion. In 1977, unable to receive a needed and financially covered abortion shortly after the amendment’s passing, Rosie Jimenez sought an unsafe abortion and died from complications shortly thereafter. Today, the existing provisions of the Hyde Amendment, coupled with harm caused by the One Big Beautiful Bill Act (OBBBA) and ICE harassment, will continue to have a devastating impact on Latine communities and immigrants in the U.S. 

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Jennie: Hi rePROs. How's everybody doing? I'm your host, Jennie Wetter. And this week, I'm gonna pass on talking about all the horrible things that are happening right now and talk about fun things instead. Because y'all, I don't want to talk about the hot mess of things that are happening. Although I think I will just say, y'all, this is why women choose the bear each and every time we pick the bear. Okay, that is all I'm gonna say about all of that right now because I'm still angry and I want to have a fun intro to this podcast because there are so many fun things for us to talk about this week. So, we're gonna do that instead of talking about the horrible things. If we're gonna mention the bear, we had a new crowned winner for Fat Bear Week, which was also delightful. So, that'll be my transition to fun. Okay, so last week also had International Podcast Day, which I highlighted in the intro to last week's episode where I gave you a great list of podcasts that I listened to, but we also did something fun for International Podcast Day with our newsletter. So, this is a shout out to if you are not already subscribed to our newsletter, you should definitely make sure and subscribe because you might not have seen this otherwise. It was also on our socials for sure on Instagram. So, make sure you're following us at @reprosfb on Instagram and rePROs Fight Back everywhere else. You would have seen these really sweet, kind, thoughtful shout-outs we got from some friends of the pod that are amazing friends and colleagues and past guests on the podcast. And I am so grateful to each and every one of them for giving such thoughtful comments about the podcast and why it matters. And y'all, I am not good at this. I am not good at asking people to sing my praises or talk about why this thing is something that I pour my heart and soul into to ask them to give us flowers, which is not really in my Midwestern repertoire of things. So, I'm so grateful that Rachel pushed to do this for International Podcast Day. So, Rachel, thank you for that. And just a huge, huge thank you to the wonderful, thoughtful, kind, loving comments that we got from Varina and Monica and Amy and Kat. Thank you so much. They really made my heart so happy, and I really loved hearing that this podcast matters to y'all as much as it matters to me. So, thank you. Also, exciting news last week. We found out that rePROs Fight Back finalist- is a finalist. I don't know what happened to my mouth there. That we were a finalist in this year's Signal Podcast Awards, we are nominated for best podcast in thought leadership, which is amazing. So, it would be awesome if you went and voted for us. There's a People's Choice Award. So, if you could go to the Signal Podcast Awards, we'll have a link in our show notes. But also, if you just google Signal Awards and vote, it'll come right up. And you could if you could vote for us there for the Audience Choice Award, that would be amazing. And while you're there voting, we have some amazing friends of the pod that are also nominated for awards this year. So, it would be really great if you could support them too. So, I'm gonna try my best. I will remember all of my friends who are nominated that we should support, but I might get their category wrong. So sorry about that if that happens. First up is Imani Gandy and her amazing podcast, Bitch Listen. She is nominated for Best Individual Episode for Activism, Public Service, and Social Impact, I think is what the category is called. Definitely make sure to go and vote for Bitch, Listen! And also, our friends Dr. Bev and Dr. Jonas were nominated for their podcast Outlawed for Best Podcast for Conversation Starter. So definitely go and vote for them as well. And then last but not least, our wonderful friend Holly Brown. She does some behind the scenes work for the podcast. She had an amazing podcast that came out last year, y'all, called Everybody Knows But Me, or Everyone Knows But Me. And you should definitely go and vote for her podcast as well. She was nominated for Best Podcast, I think, indie podcast. So definitely please go vote for our friends, Bitch, Listen!, Outlawed, and Everyone Knows But Me. And also, obviously, rePROs Fight Back. So hopefully, y'all can get a chance to go vote for us to win a Signal Award. I think the voting ends on October 15th. So please, if you have it sometime, go vote for us. We would love your support.

And with that, I'm gonna turn to this week's episode, which is a much heavier topic. Last week also marked another important day, which was 50 years since the Hyde Amendment was put into place. And so, I couldn't think of a better person to talk to about it than Lupe Rodriguez with the National Latina Institute for Reproductive Justice. We talk about the Hyde Amendment, why it is terrible, it needs to go. We also talk about somebody you may not know but should. And so that is why we're gonna talk about Rosie Jimenez. And then we talk about all of the ways that Latinas are being impacted and their ability to access healthcare right now. It is a wonderful, kind of far-reaching conversation, but definitely worth checking out if a little heavy. So, with that, let's go to my conversation with Lupe. Hi, Lupe. Thank you so much for being here today. Hi, Jenny. I'm so glad to be back and excited to talk to you today. Yeah, I'm so excited you're back. And this was perfect timing. We are talking today. Wait, let's not, sometimes I get so excited to talk to somebody and just dive right in. But let's take a second, and Lupe, would you like to introduce yourself, so the audience knows a little bit more about you?

Lupe: I would love to. Thank you. I'm Lupe M. Rodriguez. I'm the Executive Director of the National Latina Institute for Reproductive Justice, and been working in the movement for reproductive rights, health and justice for 19 years. And yeah, just thrilled to be here. Thank you for having me.

Jennie: Okay, now I'm so excited to talk to you. I mean, I'm always excited to talk to you, but today, when we're recording, is the 50th anniversary of the Hyde Amendment. And so, it seems like a really great opportunity to take a step back and talk about Hyde. I feel like it comes up every once in a while, on the podcast, but let’s give it the space it deserves to talk about this terrible provision.

Lupe: Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on to talk about this. I think I'll say that I can't believe it's been 50 years of this really terrible, terrible provision in law that has kept millions of people from being able to have access to abortion care in this country. And I think for us at Latina Institute, it is especially kind of a somber anniversary of this because we know one, again, how many people have been impacted by this in the 50 years that it's been in place and what it's doing to people now. And just, for background, of course, the Hyde Amendment was enacted in 1976, as we mentioned, 50 years ago, three years after the U.S. Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion nationwide. And the Hyde Amendment restricts federally funded abortions for federal health care programs, including Medicaid and Medicare, and for certain disabled individuals under 65. It also restricts funding for specific community health centers that provide primary health services in under-served areas. 17 states fund abortions under Medicaid and instances of life endangerment, rape, and incest. But again, those exceptions are not across the board, across the United States. And 21 states fund abortions beyond the federal requirements and do so using resources from those states. So, that's the Hyde Amendment. And again, as I started to say, it has had a very, very detrimental impact on the Latin community in this country for 50 years and continues to keep people from accessing the health care they need.

Jennie: Yeah, you talk about that Hyde has these exceptions in them. And something we've been talking about so often on the podcast is that yeah, there's like exceptions, but they're never that workable, right? Like there’s always like, okay, you have to meet this threshold, but you're close, but not quite. And it is never like, oh, okay, this is a problem. Great, you can access the health care you need. Like, exceptions are not workable.

Lupe: Yes, absolutely. In the 50 years that this Hyde Amendment has been in place, we have seen that those exceptions are not applied across the board. They do not work. And the exceptions are supposed to be that abortions of pregnancies that are the result of rape or incest, or abortions of pregnancies that threaten the life of the pregnant person, you know, should be able to be covered by federal funds. But again, in practice, as you said, that we know that that is not happening, that those exceptions are not being applied, and that in places where there might be an entry point for people to even apply for the exception, the bar to be able to, you know, get the exception and the application of it is super high. And most people are not able to get the care they need. And again, across the country, we've seen how the inequities that this amendment has created have long-lasting, have had long-lasting impacts on our communities. And yeah, it continues to cause harm to this day.

Jennie: So, we're talking on September 30th, which is the 50-year anniversary of the Hyde Amendment. Shortly following that is another really important moment that I think a lot of people don't know about. So, let's talk a little bit about Rosie Jimenez.

Lupe: Yeah, thank you for mentioning that and for allowing me the space to talk about that. This is a hard story to talk about. In 1977, Rosie Jimenez was a 27-year-old woman who passed away from an infection after undergoing an unsafe abortion. And she had to resort to getting an unsafe abortion or to seeking an unsafe abortion because she didn't have the resources to pay for an abortion out of pocket as, you know, because of not being able to use Medicaid and federal funding to get this care. And so, her story, I think, and she was the first person who passed away after the Hyde Amendment was enacted. And her story I think reflects the experience of people who are not able to get this care because of access to financial resources, right? We know right now that nearly 6.7 million Latinas, 43% of all Latinas ages 15 to 49, are reported to live in the 26 states that have banned or are likely to ban abortion, that nearly 40% of Planned Parenthood patients are people of color, right? So, folks our communities are folks who depend on access to affordable low-cost care, who may not have insurance coverage, right? Or if they do, right, may not, because of the Hyde Amendment, not be able to access the care that they need. And so, I think the horrible tragedy of Rosie Jimenez's death continues to be the way that our communities exist in this country. And I think it is, we always elevate her story around this time as well when we're talking about the Hyde Amendment and its horrible impact because she suffered such a horrendous tragedy as a result of not, you know, something again that we are so angry about, right? Like, that she couldn't access the care she needed in a safe way because of money. And it's something that continues to fuel the fight that we are pushing forward to this day.

Jennie: Yeah, I think it's so important to talk about her because it's so easy to talk about Hyde and it is blocking people from accessing care, but you forget about the actual people who are impacted. So, having the person whose story is putting a face on it, I think always helps move the needle in terms of the way people think about these things. I, earlier this year, talked to Amy Littlefield about her book Killers of Roe. And she has a whole chapter in there about Hyde and talks about Rosie Jimenez and telling her story. And you do this work and you have general ideas of these stories, but really reading that in-depth chapter and all the decisions that were made in the movement at the time to just kind of not fight Hyde as hard as we are now. It was just really sad and heartbreaking. And thinking about the way the Hyde Amendment was talked about for so long, as maybe not by name, but you would hear the general argument would always be, "no taxpayer funding for abortion." And that was just like the line, right? And it was fine, and that was kind of what everybody said, and it’s just so wonderful to see the work that the reproductive justice groups have done to build up this movement to talk about the people who are impacted by those decisions and have built up all of this work and momentum to try to repeal Hyde.

Lupe: Yeah, no, thank you for that. I think that since the Roe v. Wade decision, and getting the right to abortion on paper, we have known in the communities that we serve Latina community and another communities served by the RJ movement, that the right on paper didn't really mean that people had access to the care that they needed, right? And and and the Hyde Amendment was a prime like reason for that, because so many of the folks in our communities depend on Medicaid, depend on federal programs or social programs for access to care, right? And so, this has been a long-standing issue of concern for us, and again, something that we needed to elevate in these last 50 years to say things are still, even when we had the road protections, things were unequal. Our communities were not able to get the care that they needed, regardless of the legal right. And yeah, I'm so grateful to you for elevating that. It has been or had been disappointing, or has been in the whole movement's history disappointing at certain points to hear folks in our own movement say things like, well, this is a concession maybe that we have to make, right, in order to appease folks who are against abortion, et cetera, right? And I think for us it's always been for us at Latina Institute and for others in the RJ movement, that's not right because again, what does it matter if somebody has the legal right on paper if they're not practically able to exercise that right? And so, I agree. I think we've been fighting this for a long time, even within our own movement. I think we've gotten to a place where there's really strong recognition across the movement. I think, thanks to RJ organizers and RJ advocates, that this is a key thing that we need to think about and a key element of any new action that we take to regain the right to abortion across the country. I'll go down another path if I start to talk about just the impact that the fall of Roe v. Wade obviously has had on all of this and just compounding all of the inequities that we already experienced before. But I'll just say that I think we’re in a place, I feel strongly that we're in a place in the movement where there is widespread recognition that anything that happens next must include repealing the Hyde Amendment, must include access for everybody, and a thought about, you know, and a recognition, I should say, that the right on paper is not enough and that we need to ensure that everybody has access.

Jennie: Absolutely. We've been doing this podcast for almost nine years now, and the Dobbs decision is nowhere near that old, right? So, there have been issues for so long, and it is always the most vulnerable who are suffering. And I think that leads me to think of the bigger picture of the story. So not beyond Hyde. So, one of the places that Hyde impacts are people on Medicaid. And so, thinking about the long-term impacts we're gonna see when these new Medicaid provisions go into effect that were passed in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act. I always feel a little stupider saying that, but um I call it HR1 because I don't want to say it. Yes, or OBBBA.

Lupe: I just say OBBBA.

Jennie: Yeah, and they're gonna take effect soon. And again, uh impacting the most vulnerable people. So, maybe we want to turn a little bit there to talk about some of the impacts on access to health care that we're gonna see in the Latina community.

Lupe: Yeah, I know that's such a great point and something so important to elevate in this conversation because the existing provisions of the Hyde Amendment, coupled with the those cuts that you mentioned that are in OBBBA, are going to have a devastating impact on Latina communities and immigrants in this country. OBBBA has a $4.5 trillion tax cut over the next 10 years, including 900 billion in cuts to Medicaid. And we know that over 4 million Latina people are among the 14 million Americans who are subject to losing health coverage by 2034 due to the cuts to Medicaid and the Affordable Care Act. We know that a really large proportion of the Latina community or of the communities that utilize or depend on Medicaid for access to care are Latine. And so, I think that the impact of that will be really, really big. We also know that, under OBBBA, several thousand immigrants with documentation status that had allowed them to access certain programs and services are now subject to losing their government health coverage starting October 1 of tomorrow of 2026. And so, we are looking out, very concerned about this, of course, organizing around this because it will be incredibly devastating. And as you said, all of these things are creating an environment where folks who are already vulnerable, folks who have for a long time been disconnected from access to care, will face even more barriers, even more disconnection to this care, and where some of the progress that we've made to close these gaps [is] sort of facing [its] destruction in the coming years, if this goes into effect or as it goes into effect, and if there's no action taken to reverse some of the things that have been put forward.

Jennie: I think it's also important that people understand so there are going to be devastating impacts to a lot of communities, but also important to think that just because you personally are not on Medicaid, you may still have really big impacts on your access to healthcare, right? Yeah. One of the areas that people are really thinking about is the impacts this is gonna have on rural hospitals. You may see hospital closures. And as somebody who the hospital I went to back home is considered a rural hospital, there are a lot of people who may lose access to healthcare that are not on Medicaid. So, people need to think about how all of these systems are impacted. So, there are communities that are gonna be impacted, but there are just really broad areas that are gonna feel the devastating impacts of these decisions.

Lupe: Yeah, absolutely, Jennie. I mean, I think that the potential for the infrastructure of healthcare in this country to collapse under these cuts is huge. I think your point about rural hospitals is really important. I think it also will have an impact on community clinics, right? Which millions and millions of people depend on, and that communities of color, lower income folks depend on even more than others. And this will have an impact everywhere in the country, regardless of whether or not folks, you know, whether or not states have a Medicaid expansion or there's investments that specific states are making, you know, and so yeah, this will impact people whether or not they depend on Medicaid or CHIP or, you know, Medicare or any of the other programs that are being cut through these, through this bill. And, you know, and I think we've seen this already, right? When the Dobbs decision happened and health centers across the country had were forced to close because of it, we saw, well, one, you know, the impact of that on the people living in the states where the health centers closed and the impact that had on other care that they were receiving at these health centers, like preventative, reproductive health care, you know, other form like prenatal care, other forms of care, right? And then that was one thing. But then also, you know, as folks have had to leave those states to get care in states where there are still providers, you know, the wait times have gotten longer in those states. So, we've seen this before, right? If there are cuts anywhere around the country, what remains of the infrastructure, what remains of the clinics, the hospitals will be strained, and that will have an impact on all of us, whether or not we depend on these programs for the care that we need.

Jennie: Are there other things you're keeping an eye on right now? I feel like there are so many things that are impacting Latine access to health care beyond just Medicaid cuts and attacks on abortion. So, what else are you keeping an eye on?

Lupe: Well, we're definitely keeping an eye on how the attacks on immigrant communities and the threats through immigration enforcement are keeping folks from getting the care they need. We know that people are afraid to live their normal lives, right? They're afraid to go to school, they're afraid to go to work. It's so heartbreaking, but folks are afraid to take their kids to school and they're afraid to go to appointments for health care. And I think that on top of the cuts, if folks still had a place to get care even after jobs and all of the reduction in healthcare services after that, they may now no longer have access to the benefits to be able to access this care. And that is compounded by the fear that is being created by the brutal immigration enforcement that is happening right now. So, I think there's just a lot of different things that are happening that are keeping our communities from getting the care they need. And just I think creating an environment where folks are suffering and where folks maybe aren't experiencing this firsthand. They might be able to disconnect from it, right to our point earlier, right? Like folks shouldn't think this, all these things won't affect them just because they're not dependent on Medicaid, right, or other programs. I think the same thing with this issue, right? The impact on public health, the impact on our community's infrastructure, the impact on our connections with each other, I think are going to be, this is impacting all of that as well.

Jennie: Yeah. The other thing I really think about with all of this worsens health outcomes, right? People are delaying getting care, but also the stress itself of this situation is wearing on people's bodies, on their emotional well-being, on all of the things like people should not have to carry all of this weight, all of this fear. And it just compounds all of everything.

Lupe: Absolutely. I think when folks talk about the long-term impact of all of these different, terrible things that are happening to people under this administration and recently with OBBBA, et cetera, I feel like one thing that that I don't hear a lot of people talk about is like the mental health impact this will have and the kind of terror, frankly, that it's creating, that all of this is creating in in folks and communities. And I think that-

Jennie: And that's long term.

Lupe: Exactly. Exactly.

Jennie: Like, that sticks.

Lupe: Exactly. And I think, you know, we talk a lot about how the separation of families is going to have a horrible impact long term. I mean, obviously short term, it's devastating, and also long term, right? What outcomes can we expect or what things are going to happen to the kids who are being separated from their parents, to the parents separated from their kids, the way also that this is this quote unquote “enforcement” is happening, right? The violence that it is bringing to communities, right? Just everything I think is very devastating. And not to mention, of course, the horrific conditions that folks are experiencing in detention centers, right? The long-term detention, just all of the impacts of that. And so, yeah, I think all of these things together are creating really terrible conditions for communities right now. And I think a really devastating future for many in our communities. And I'm hopeful, of course, that through the organizing and advocacy that we're doing and the work to mitigate some of these horrible things that we'll be able to try to mitigate some of those like really terrible long-term impacts that we expect based on what's happening.

Jennie: Yeah, I think it’s so important that we talk about it because I think that it has quickly become in some ways normalized, right? It's this background thing that's kind of always happening. It doesn't get reported on unless some particularly ugly incident happens, right? Like, somebody gets shot during an ICE action or something like that, but people forget that it is continually happening because they don't see it on the news in the same way that it was for a while. And I think of it around like DC too. People are always shocked when I talk about how there's still National Guard all over the streets of DC and they are going to be here for another two years. And because it's not in the news all the time, like people just don't realize it's still going on. And I feel like that's kind of what's happening with ICE right now.

Lupe: Yeah, definitely. I mean, everyday people are being detained, people are being either thrown in detention centers or quickly being removed from the country and separated from their families. Yeah, it's still happening. And the abuses in detention centers that are still open, right? Like there's been at certain points, as you mentioned, yeah, like attention on some of the documented abuses that are happening in different detention centers around the country. And the news' attention might go to other things.

Jennie: New shiny thing.

Lupe: Right, exactly. But those detention centers are still open, people are still being put in there, conditions are not changing. Yeah, and this administration, it’s continuing to arrest and detain pregnant people, continuing to put them in detention as well. And so, yeah, I mean, I think this is- it's continuing, it's getting worse in many ways. And as mentioned, I think it's compounding all of these existing things that have always kept our communities from living full lives, right? At the basic level, having access to care, but also ultimately living with safety and dignity.

Jennie: And I guess bringing it back full circle to Hyde, if people are pregnant in detention and don't want to be, they do not have the ability to access abortion because of Hyde.

Lupe: Because healthcare provided through these detention centers is tied to federal government resources, right? Yeah, it is connected to the Hyde Amendment restrictions. And not only that, I think what we also have seen and many folks have documented is that pregnant people who are being detained are being sent to certain states where there are abortion bans and restrictions on abortion care. So, I think, yeah, that's also a part of this picture.

Jennie: And I think and just regular prenatal care too. I feel like you hear stories about not getting access to good prenatal care.

Lupe: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'll share a story that we heard from somebody who reached out to us who shared with us that she was seven months pregnant, was detained in Arizona, and had not received prenatal care, was not being given adequate food. She ultimately was removed from the country, deported before we could respond [and] support her with connecting her to resources. And so, and that's just a snippet. We also unfortunately had one of our own teammates who was detained by ICE and held in a detention center, and also witnessed firsthand some abuses happening to people, a pregnant mom who or of a woman who had just given birth, who was a postpartum, and was suffering from mastitis and infections as a result of that and wasn't given the care she needed. So, yeah, I think these abuses are rampant and continuing to happen. Yeah, and I think it's just adding to the fear, the devastation that our communities are experiencing right now.

Jennie: Yeah. I was actually gonna ask about your colleague after we were done recording, because I wasn't sure if you wanted to share, but thanks for mentioning that. Okay, I want to be respectful of your time. So, I always like to wrap up, not just focusing on all of the bad, because there is so much right now, but actions. So, what can people do right now to get engaged?

Lupe: Well, there are many ways that folks can get engaged. One very kind of straightforward thing I'll share right now is that folks can join us at Latina Institute. Go to Latinainstitute.org or at Latina Institute on social media. We have campaigns and actions that are ongoing that we're working on now, and we're always looking for more folks to join us in the fight. And we're really excited about some new trainings that we are launching in the coming year or through the end of the year and in the coming year. We have a regular series of trainings for folks who want to get involved. So, that's one thing I'll say. I think there's also a ton of like networks of support in the community. I think the one that I personally volunteer with is the National Day Labor Organizing Network. They have groups of folks that are volunteering to stand outside schools, support day laborers and other folks with documentation protection if they're all if they do encounter ICE or immigration. And then, I’ll also want to talk about the Abortion Access Now campaign that we're at Latina Institute are a part of in helping lead. One of the important parts of that campaign is to talk about how any legislation that comes next to restore the right to abortion across the country must include the removal of the Hyde Amendment right, must include provisions for access to care for people, regardless of what kind of program they they depend on for their health care, as well as provisions or you know, pillar of the campaign that talks about expanding access to those federal programs for immigrants and and folks who might have been left out or who might be left out right now. And so, I invite folks to learn more about that campaign, to get involved. We're doing trainings and want, again, to help build the power and momentum behind that. Because as I mentioned, anything that happens next in terms of policy and advocacy to fight back and to get back the rights that we've lost, you know, we know must include not just the right on paper, but a removal of the Hyde Amendment and expansion of who has the right to this care. And we're excited to be working on this campaign with a lot of other folks in the movement and invite folks to join.

Jennie: Lupe, thank you so much. I think one or both of our internets are getting iffy, so I think we're gonna go ahead and end there. Thank you so much for being here. I had such a wonderful time talking to you.

Lupe: Thank you, Jennie. I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

Jennie: Okay, y'all. I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Lupe. I know it was a heavy conversation, but I always love getting to talk to her. She is just so wonderful. So thank you, Lupe, for being on the podcast. And we will see everybody next week. If you have any questions, comments, or topics you would like us to cover, always feel free to shoot me an email. You can reach me at jennie@reprosfightback.com, or you can find us on social media. We're at rePROs Fight Back on Facebook and Twitter, or @reprosfb on Instagram. If you love our podcast and want to make sure more people find it, take the time to rate and review us on your favorite podcast platform, or if you want to make sure to support the podcast, you can also donate on our website at reprosfightback.com. Thanks all!