For Abortion Access in the South, Virginia Plays a Critical Role

Viriginia plays a critical role for abortion access in the South. In fact, Virginia is the only southern state that did not enact a post-Dobbs abortion ban, leaving it the only southern state without a full abortion ban or extremely restrictive ban on the books. April Greene, Executive Director at the Blue Ridge Abortion Fund, talks to us about Virginia’s important role in continuing to provide care for the southern region and help ensure reproductive freedom nationwide.  

In 2024, more than any other state, Virginia saw the largest increase in out-of-state abortion seekers. Patients are coming from all over, but the largest number of abortion seekers come from Georgia, North Carolina, and Florida. As patients are traveling to access care, they encounter practical barriers, including transportation, lodging, childcare, food, and time away from work. These barriers can impact if and when someone accesses an abortion. The post-Dobbs landscape makes access more complicated for patients and abortion funds who support them. Before Dobbs, Blue Ridge Abortion Fund’s funding budget ranged from $9,000 - $14,000 a week. After Dobbs, the budget increased to $20,000 a week to account for new needs. 

Virginia voters have the opportunity in November to vote on a ballot initiative that would enshrine reproductive freedom in the state’s constitution, protecting abortion and other reproductive healthcare into the Virginia constitution.  

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Blue Ridge Abortion Fund 
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The Right to Reproductive Freedom Amendment 

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Jennie: Welcome to rePROs Fight Back, a podcast on all things related to sexual and reproductive health, rights, and justice. [music intro]

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Hi, rePROs. How's everybody doing? I'm your host, Jennie Wetter, and my pronouns are she, her. So, y'all, fall is officially in the air in DC. It is so lovely out today. I met a colleague for lunch, so we could have a working lunch, and we sat outside, and it being lovely in fall meant one thing. I got to the end of my building's driveway, and all of a sudden, I had like a tickle in the back of my throat. And I was like, oh, it is officially fall allergy season. So, womp womp. I feel pretty good, but I all of a sudden, like, after sitting outside having a long lunch, talking through a bunch of things, I have, like, this tickle in my throat and was coughing during my interview that I just finished. So, that's great. But that's okay. We had an amazing Mexican lunch. It was so nice to sit outside and just have a lovely lunch and talk through a bunch of things for next year with work planning. And it was a delightful way to spend two hours. So, very excited we were able to do that. But yeah, I definitely can feel the allergies coming on. I'll have to make sure that I am really consistent in taking my allergy meds so hopefully I don't get actually sick and just have like this little bit of the throat tickle. Let's see. The other thing I was thinking about tomorrow is International Podcast Day. So, I thought it might be fun to give you a sneak peek into my Apple Podcast app and like what I listen to. I am a huge consumer of podcasts. I'm the person who needs background noise to work. If it's really quiet, I get distracted really easy. Like, [I’ll] hear a little noise and it's like, what's that? And then I split focus. So, I always have something playing in the background. And oftentimes if I have music, I'll be like singing along and like getting really distracted. But listening to podcasts engages my brain enough that I can focus. And it all depends on what I'm doing. Some things I can't listen to while I'm doing them. Like if I'm doing serious editing or writing, sometimes I can't do that. But most of the time, if I'm working from home, I have a podcast playing in the background. So just to get just as you hear my super long list, there are a lot of podcasts that I listen to. So I think the fun place to start is like my gateway podcast, the podcast that was the very first podcast I ever listened to that really got me into podcasts. And that is Stuff You Missed in History Class. I still listen to that podcast. They are like generally like 30, 45-minute episodes that talk about something from history or someone from history, and they are really intentional about making sure that they're since so much of history is told about white men that they focus really a lot on women and people of color and telling their stories and making sure that they are highlighted. I love that podcast. Yeah, it was definitely my gateway podcast. I feel like I've talked about Vibe Check before, but I really love that podcast. There was an episode they had, I don't know, it feels like for a long time ago now. Trying to think through, maybe like three years ago, talking about grief. One of the hosts at the time, his mom died. And so there was a lot of talk about grief and processing grief. And that came just like maybe two months after my dad died. And so, it just hit really close to home. And then I think the other thing, I mean, I love so many things about the podcast, but these are the ones that have been like specific to me that I really loved is Saeed Jones, who's one of the hosts, he is a writer and a poet, and he always shares a poem at the end of episodes. And I have always been one who's not really into poetry, but in the last couple of years, I really discovered that I don't really like reading poetry. For some reason, it doesn't connect with me in the same way. But if I listen to it, I really love poetry. So, he played a really big role in that discovery. So, I've definitely listened to some audiobooks of poetry that have really been wonderful because of Saeed. So, I love that. I'm not gonna do deep dives into all of these. There's just a couple that I feel like have special places next to my heart. I love How Did This Get Made? It's just funny and delightful. That's what I'm trying to make sure to give a lot of attention to. I really enjoy Imani Gandy's newish podcast called Bitch, Listen! She's played with the format since she has started it. And I really like what she has landed on right now, where she thinks about a topic that she's interested in, kind of gives a thesis to like what's happening or what's going wrong, or that. And then she brings a guest on for the next episode to talk it through. It's just been really interesting, and I've really enjoyed listening to that. I also really love Cancel Me Daddy. It is just a great podcast. It really started focusing on cancel culture. It's kind of expanded beyond that, I would say, maybe a little bit more focused on media coverage of things now. I don't know. It's really hard to put a pin on it, but they're just delightful conversations that I never miss an episode. I also really love Strict Scrutiny. I am not a lawyer, and it's really good to listen to some excellent legal minds breaking down what is happening with the Supreme Court in cases going through the court system. I also recently discovered, I think I mentioned on the podcast, I did some podcast judging for awards. I don't know if I'm supposed to say what I listened to or judged, but anyway, I'm gonna spoil one and say I listened to an episode of Reclaimed by Monica Lewinsky that came across my judging, and I loved it. I thought she was just such a great interviewer and the conversation was delightful. And so I have been listening to episodes of that since then. I love Maintenance Phase and If Books Could Kill. I try to always listen to Intersectionality Matters and Undistracted. I listen to Feminist Buzzkills. And recently there's been a great series by somebody that we work with on the podcast that helps us with some of our marketing stuff released called Everyone Knows But Me. And y'all, I don't want to tell you about it because I think you really just need to experience it. But seriously, run, don't walk, listen to Everyone Knows But Me. And then I need I need, like I've said, with working, I need things that help distract my brain. The same is true at night. I need a podcast to fall asleep to. So, I have a range of sleep podcasts that I focus on. So, get sleepy, I really love The Sleepy Bookshelf, Boring Books for Bedtime, and Deep Sleep Sounds. All of them are ones I use religiously to help me fall asleep at night. So happy International Podcast Day to so many amazing podcasts out there. I hope y'all will check out some of these. I really enjoy all of them. And I think it is so important for podcasters to support each other, especially the independent ones. Like there it's a small world out there. So yeah, we should be all in this together and supporting other amazing artists out there doing work. So, I hope you can check out some of these. Okay, with that, sorry that intro went longer than I intended. I didn't mean to talk about a bunch about all of the podcasts, but there you have it.

I'm really excited for this week's episode. We are going to talk about Virginia and abortion access there and kind of what the landscape looks like. And, you know, Virginia plays a really important role in abortion access that I think gets kind of lost in the huge focus on states like Illinois and New Mexico and New York and California. So, I'm really glad that we're taking a step back today to talk about Virginia. So, joining me today, I have April Green with the Blue Ridge Abortion Fund to talk about abortion in Virginia. So, with that, let's go to my conversation with April.

Jennie: Hi, April. Thank you so much for being here today.

April: Hi, Jennie. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

Jennie: I'm so excited you were able to do this. This came together so quickly and perfectly, and I'm just so grateful that you were able to hop on a kind of a last-minute basis.

April: Amazing. No, it's so exciting. It's so great, and I'm glad it worked out. So, thank you.

Jennie: Well, before we dive into this week's topic, would you like to take a minute and introduce yourself?

April: Absolutely. So yes, my name is April Greene. My pronouns are she/hers, and I am the executive director of the Blue Ridge Abortion Fund based in Virginia. I have been with the Blue Ridge Abortion Fund since 2021, so just about five years now, but I've been funding abortions since about 2010. So, for a number of years, I have been supporting abortion seekers both in Georgia, where I'm from, and now for the last five years in Virginia. I am also someone who had an abortion and who struggled to access abortion care. That's why this work means so much to me. So, I am amazed that I get to wake up every day and know that whatever is on my to-do list, it's all in the service of helping people access abortion care, that that's my job is unreal. And then outside of that, I'm also the partner to my amazing spouse, Cameron. And we have a 14-year-old daughter named Asa, who is just my whole world and has been watching me talk about abortion, probably to an embarrassing extent for her for her entire life. So yeah, that's me in a nutshell.

Jennie: Oh, that's so awesome. Yeah, that sounds so wonderful getting to ensure that people are able to get the abortions they want. That's great. It's so amazing. Okay, so I'm really excited that we're gonna talk about Virginia today because it plays a little bit of a unique role in the abortion landscape, particularly in the South. So maybe you want to tell us a little bit about the post-Dobbs landscape and why Virginia is such an important access point.

April: And that's exactly what Virginia is. Virginia is a critical access point for abortion care for pretty much everyone in the southern, southeastern United States. So, Virginia is the only southern state that did not enact a post-Dobbs— so Dobbs being the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Supreme Court decision that overturned Roe v. Wade— Virginia is the only southern state that did not enact a post-Dobbs abortion ban. So currently, what that means is that Virginia is the only southern state that either does not have a full abortion ban on the books or you know, that hasn't enacted a very restrictive law around abortion banning it after six or 12 weeks in the case of a few other Southern states.

Jennie: I think it's kind of unique, also in another way, at least it feels like to me. Often when you hear about people talking about places where people are going to get abortions and that are that access point, you hear about Illinois or New York or California or New Mexico. You often don't hear Virginia as part of that conversation, but it is a really important access point.

Jennie: It is, it is. So, in 20-, the Guttmacher Institute is a national research organization that looks at things like, you know, state bans, barriers to abortion care in different states, and they do something called a monthly abortion provision study. So, what they do is they look every single month at the number of people accessing abortion care and where they're doing it, how they're doing it, where they're going. And according to a study from Guttmacher Institute, Virginia actually saw the largest increase in out-of-state abortion seekers of any other state in 2024. And so, yes, now we're in 2026, but we've continued to kind of see that play out in real time at Blue Ridge Abortion Fund. So, while Virginia hasn't typically, I think, been part of that national conversation of those receiving states, we have seen a huge, huge increase in the number of people who are traveling from Georgia, Florida, North and South Carolina, Tennessee, all to access abortion care in Virginia.

Jennie: Yeah, I was just gonna ask that, like, who are you seeing and like where are they coming from?

April: So, for us, the states where we have seen the largest increase of out of state abortion seekers is Georgia and North Carolina. So, we typically support about 40 to 50 abortion seekers every single week. And about a full quarter of abortion seekers we support are coming from out of state. Most of the time, those states are Georgia, North Carolina, and in many cases, Florida. So that's typically where we see folks coming from.

Jennie: That adds, like, this whole other layer of like abortion funding, right? Because you're needing to address practical needs for how are people getting there and stuff. So, maybe let's talk about some of the practical barriers that people are encountering as they have to travel to access care.

April: So, I'll sort of walk you through what happens when someone calls our funding line and how that conversation goes. And it looks different for everyone, everyone's experience and the barriers they face are different. But when someone calls our funding line, we're, of course, asking them about the cost of their abortion itself, right? How much money do you need to pay the clinic? How much of that have you been able to come up with? Are you getting help from any other organizations? And typically what we're doing is filling whatever gap there is. So, if someone needs $500 more dollars, that's what we're gonna try to do. After we've had that conversation, we're asking about their travel plans, particularly if this is someone who's coming in from out of state. Sometimes, even if it's not, if someone lives in the same city as their clinic, we're still going to ask them: do you have a ride to the clinic? Are you all set? But when someone's traveling from out of state, we're always going to ask them about their travel plans. So, have you, do you know how you're getting to Virginia? For some people, that's driving, for others, that's flying. We've supported people taking trains or buses. So, it looks different for everyone. We'll ask how they're getting here, even if their appointment is a one-day, you know, a few hours long appointment. Because folks are traveling so far, we're often also having to make sure they have a safe place to stay. So, we're talking to them about: do you have someone you can stay with? That's rare. Occasionally it happens, but usually what we're doing is we're looking at hotels. So, we're booking hotel rooms for people. We're helping them book those flights if they're flying, we're sending them gas money if they have to drive. We've helped pay for rental cars for folks who don't have reliable transportation. So, we're kind of getting all those pieces squared away. If they have children, and most people who are getting abortions already have children. We talk to them about childcare and what their plans for childcare are. Do you have someone who can watch your kids? Are you bringing them with you? Do you need funding for childcare? Do we need to connect with the clinic that you're going to and see if we can find a local childcare provider who is someone safe and trustworthy you can have watch your children. How much is that gonna cost? And so, we add that in, right? So, we're factoring that in. And then, food these days, food's expensive. It costs a lot more money to eat while you're traveling than when you're not traveling. So, something we're also often helping people with is meal support while they're traveling, especially if they're traveling with their families or they're bringing a support person with them. We want to make sure they can eat while they're driving and here for their appointment. So, those are the biggest things that we're typically helping people with. And we just walk through that and in pretty much every call, we're making sure that every person coming to Virginia has what they need to make sure they can get their abortion and get home and that it's as little stress as possible, given that it's already typically a pretty stressful situation.

Jennie: Yeah, I think that's one of those things that people don't think about if they're not immersed in this work, right? That it's not just the abortion that people may have a hard time paying for. Although I think if they're not immersed in this work, they don't necessarily think about that part either, right? And then you think of like all of these barriers, and that makes people have to like try to save money to be able to fund the abortion, but then that means it's taking time, it pushes them further out, that makes the abortion more expensive, and now all of a sudden they have to have a procedural abortion versus a medication abortion, and now they have to travel and like all of these things that make it harder and harder for people to access care and the barriers, you know, interact with each other and push it out, make it harder to get. And it's a complicated tangle that people have to navigate just to be able to access basic healthcare.

April: A hundred percent. Like this is, I mean, in the best of times, before the Dobbs decision, before Roe was overturned-

Jennie: It wasn't easy then.

April: It wasn't. It certainly was not; it was absolutely not easy. And these were conversations that I think we were having with people often, right? Like, yes, there is always more than just this abortion right now happening in your life. There's everything else going on at the same time. And on top of it, there's, you know, there's stigma, there's getting time off work, finding someone to take care of your kids, but you didn't have to worry about the fact that abortion might be illegal or banned after six weeks in your stay. Add that in, and it creates a situation that is just deeply untenable for pretty much all of us. Yeah.

Jennie: Yeah. And it also just makes me think, you know, something that we've not talked about yet is how that makes it harder for abortion funds too, right? Like now all of a sudden, this post-Dobbs landscape looks different. You're having to factor in maybe travel costs from further, like again, you know, if people get pushed later, more expensive abortions. I would assume that means you're having to raise more money per person. And while there was this huge boom of money raining down like post-Dobbs, that can't have been sustainable. So, what are kind of about how are abortion funds dealing with that and the changing needs that patients are having?

April: Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's hard. It's hard, it's so hard right now for abortion funds, right? Because we did have this moment immediately post-Dobbs where people, maybe many of them for the first time ever, learned that abortion funds existed, that there were these groups of people here so deeply committed to making sure people could access abortion care, that even when abortion was legal, we were raising money and making sure that people could pay for their abortions, right? And pretty much every single abortion fund that I'm aware of saw an increase in support, an increase in donations in that period that was super, it was just unprecedented. And it meant that in the immediate term, we were able to kind of absorb some of those very, very fast shifts that we were seeing. Some states immediately, you know, they had trigger laws on the books so that they immediately banned abortion when the decision came down. Others immediately enacted, you know, super restrictive bans at six weeks, 12 weeks, whatever. And, you know, people scrambled, they didn't know what to do, they weren't sure where to turn, and abortion funds could sort of step up in that moment because of that support. But I think what's hard is that it kept happening, right? Like it kept happening. States continued to shift the goalposts, to enact new bans, to change things up, and then we were still here. We still had to be here, and it's gotten so much harder over the years, but that support, you know, has not kept up. I think there are so many other things right now to be pissed about, to be worried about, to be, you know, concerned about that we've not seen that kind of you know momentum toward supporting abortion funds that we did in those months following Dobbs. So, for us, it means we're stretching. We're stretching really hard. Before Dobbs, our funding budget ranged from about $9,000 to $14,000 a week at Blue Ridge Abortion Fund. Shortly after the Dobbs decision, we increased it to $20,000 a week just to account. For all of the new needs that people had that we were working to fill. At its highest, our budget was $25,000 a week. That was the highest we were able to go. And last year, for a period of time, we actually had to reduce it back to $20,000 a week. It was the first time post-Dobbs that we actually reduced the budget instead of increasing it as we had been. Thankfully, we were able to get the budget back up to $22,000 a week, which is huge. And that's where we are right now. But even that’s not enough. I mean, some weeks we can keep the funding line open for less than an hour before we have to close it because we know the number of calls we've gotten will outpace that $22,000. And that's the best that we can do. So, for us, it means monitoring our budget very, very closely. For some funds, it has meant closing down entirely. Virginia lost an abortion fund this year. The New River Abortion Access Fund closed in May. And so that was, I mean, terrible for that to happen, losing a fund. Other states have lost funds. Some funds have merged. It's just, it's a really, really tricky environment for us to try to navigate because yeah, we don't know exactly what will happen with funding.

Jennie: Yeah, that is- it's so hard. And it's so hard to stay on top of all of the things, right? There is so much happening right now in the world, not just the abortion world. And so, there's so many competing priorities of where people are giving their money. Yeah, I know I've definitely fallen victim of- was very much a rage donator. I mean, I also have my monthly donations to abortion funds, so that way I don't have to worry about that. But I also did rage donating on top of it, and so that has not happened in the same way that it was happening a couple of years ago. So, I definitely understand that it's hard to stay on top of all of the things. And yeah, it's really hard.

April: It's hard. It’s so hard. And we can think back on that period of time, too. Like for us, we were Blue Ridge Abortion Fund, we were very lucky because what that increase in donations meant was that we were able to sort of build ourselves a really strong foundation and grow our infrastructure. We now have a staff of five. We really were able to kind of set ourselves up to meet the moment in a way that, you know, we... well, I had never, again, being in abortion funding since 2010. I had never, you know, worked with an abortion fund that had a staff and you know, had folks who are dedicated full time to returning calls online and that sort of thing. So that's huge. It made a massive difference for us. And so now the challenge is just, yeah, keeping that momentum and making sure people know we're still here, we're still doing it. It's actually it's a lot harder than it was in that month, you know, those few months post-Dobbs, because now we're in, we're truly living in this reality, and we're still here, we're still doing it every single day.

Jennie: I guess the other thing I'm starting to think about is what else are you seeing now in Virginia is you're starting to think about the role of Virginia and reproductive freedom and kind of the future. I know there's a lot happening.

April: Yes, yes, there is a lot happening. So, I think the biggest thing that you know we have sort of on the horizon here in Virginia is a reproductive freedom amendment. So, this November, voters in Virginia will have the opportunity to vote on a ballot initiative to enshrine reproductive freedom into our state's constitution. So that does constitutionally protect the right to abortion access in Virginia, and it also protects the right to other reproductive health care like contraception, pregnancy and postpartum care, infertility care, miscarriage management, contraception, like so, so, so many parts of like the full spectrum really of reproductive health care. And so, that in itself is huge, right? That we have the opportunity to, you know, make sure that abortion access is protected in Virginia, regardless of, you know, who's leading our state, what our state legislature looks like, who’s in the governor's office. We have an opportunity this fall to protect that, which is really exciting and you know, something I think all of us who do this work are really eagerly awaiting the outcome of, I'll say.

Jennie: Yeah, I mean, again, because Virginia plays such an important role in the South, that is really huge for people not have to travel so far to be able to just go, just I mean, it's still far for people, but like not have to go all the way to New York or Illinois or some of those other states that have been taking a lot of people to be able to travel a little closer to home to get access.

April: Yeah, definitely. And so that's what we're hopeful will happen. That's what you know, our hoped outcome here is that we see that, yes, enshrined in our state's constitution. We also are, I think, really excited to do the work that comes next, right? Like we've seen ballot initiatives in other states across the US. Sometimes they pass and sometimes they don't. But what we do know is that we put a lot of energy and effort into getting these initiatives on the ballot to getting out the vote, to making sure people know what's at stake. And what's at stake is huge. And then once we sort of guarantee the right to abortion in Virginia, then there's the work of making sure that it is actually accessible. And I think that's where abortion funds really do sort of stand in that gap. And we are making sure that, yes, the legal right to abortion is here, it exists, and we are going to make sure that, you know, the mom and her preschooler from Georgia can make the 10-hour drive to Virginia and that they have a safe place to stay when they get here, and that she can afford the abortion care that she needs, and that she can drive back home, and that they can eat while they're here for that appointment. And that's kind of our role, I think, is really going to continue after the vote in November.

Jennie: Yeah, I think that's one of the things that so many people just think that abortion just needs to be legal and that that that that's it, right? Like when you hear the push for bringing back Roe, right? And yes, abortion was legal, but it was so inaccessible for so many people, right? This podcast is nine years old. We've been talking about the abortion access crisis for so much longer than Dobbs has been the law of the land. So, we need to make sure that abortion is accessible. And I always talk about it as this small word that holds so many things in it, right? It means affordable, it means that you can easily access it, like go to the clinic and physically get it. It means you can take time off of work, you have childcare to make the appointment. Like it means all of these things. It doesn't mean just that you have the legal right to do it. A hundred percent.

April: Yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's why I mean that's why abortion funds exist in the first place. Like, Blue Ridge Abortion Fund has been here since 1989, you know, and yes, of course, we have seen challenges to the legal right to abortion ever since Roe became the law of the land. And yes, that is the reality. But even when we were theoretically secure in our legal right to abortion, abortion funds were popping up all of the time because we knew that the legal right to abortion never guaranteed access and that we had to, again, just stand in that gap and make sure that anyone who wanted or needed an abortion could get there, could get to the clinic, could get their abortion, and could not have to take on this just an undue amount of stress on top of it to make that happen.

Jennie: Okay. So, as you know, we always end our episodes focusing on: what can the audience do? So, what are some things the audience can do in this moment?

April: So, for Virginians in particular, I do urge every single Virginian, Virginia voter listening today to learn about the reproductive freedom amendment and make sure that you have a plan to vote in November. Because while, yes, we know that the legal right to abortion doesn't guarantee access, it goes a hell of a long way toward making sure that Virginia can remain this critical access point that we've become. So, learn about the constitutional amendment and make a plan to vote in November or now, because early voting began last week. So, you could even go ahead, and you know go and vote today. The next thing that I would encourage folks to do is learn about your local abortion fund. Whatever abortion fund that is, learn about the work that they are doing on the ground in your community. Connect with them, figure out how you can support them, whether that's as a volunteer, as a donor, as a monthly donor. I cannot stress enough how huge it is when someone signs up to donate every single month. That predictable, sustainable income goes so far for an abortion fund that you know is working every single day to make sure people get the care that they need. It's huge. So those are the two takeaways I would have for folks. Virginians, learn about the reproductive freedom amendment and make sure you vote in November and everyone learn about your local abortion fund and find out what you can do to support them.

Jennie: Yes, I always love talking about being a monthly donor and how important it is, particularly to abortion funds. Y'all, that doesn't mean you have to give a large amount. It just like April said, it is just as they are trying to figure out how much money they have to give to patients each week, each month, this means they know that they are getting that $5, $20, $100, whatever you can each month. They know they have that and are able to more easily budget throughout the year versus variable one-time donations. I mean, if you can do anything, it is amazing. But yeah, if you can do it monthly, I know they really love it. And I do monthly for a couple, so it is just automatic. I don't even have to think about it. So, like when I don't have to worry about forgetting, it's so delightful. And I know it's going so that people can get care where they need it.

April: A hundred percent. Yes, yes, yes.

Jennie: Well, April, it was so lovely to talk to you about what is happening in Virginia and help educate people a little bit about the important role that Virginia plays in abortion access right now. Thank you so much for being here.

April: Thank you so much for having me. This was such a pleasure, and I love talking about abortion in Virginia anytime, all the time. So, thank you.

Jennie: Okay, y'all. I hope you enjoyed my conversation with April. It was so great to learn about everything that is happening in Virginia right now. And I will see everybody next week. If you have any questions, comments, or topics you would like us to cover, always feel free to shoot me an email. You can reach me at jennie@reprosfightback.com, or you can find us on social media. We're at rePROs Fight Back on Facebook and Twitter, or @reprosfb on Instagram. If you love our podcast and want to make sure more people find it, take the time to rate and review us on your favorite podcast platform. Or if you want to make sure to support the podcast, you can also donate on our website at reprosfightback.com. Thanks all!